I am appauled at the suggetion of tagging dementia patients. We looked after MIL with it and we have both said we would never have done that to her. My
opinion but I don't know what you think.
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Posts: 6071 (27/12/2007 14:16:44) |
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Posts: 13468 (27/12/2007 14:26:06) Moderator |
IMHO .........well if it brought back a loved one that had wandered, i would be all for it , i suppose it would have its "fors and againsts" , and if
it was set out before the sufferer got too bad to voice their opinion , i suspect they would be for it too
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Posts: 3370 (27/12/2007 14:36:51) |
No, I'm not appalled Helen but have to admit I haven't made my mind up about it yet. I can see two sides of the coin on this one and it would depend
upon the circumstances it which it was used and what safeguards were inbuilt to avoid abuse of the system.
My father has altzheimer's and his twin brother developed it some 10 years earlier and used to go wandering the streets at night in his pyjamas, irrespective of the weather! He used to cross many main roads to return to an old address he lived at and was putting both himself and others into danger. I'm waiting for a bit more information to come out before I could decide whether I'm pro or anti. J |
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Posts: 1437 (27/12/2007 14:42:39) |
l was sitting waiting in the car one day when this discussion came on the radio. l don't think it's for all sufferers, just those to have disappeared
in the night before. Some found with hypothermia, it was felt that if they had been found sooner they would have had less suffering. Some families were very
concerned as their family members had gone missing numerous times and just couldn't remember how to get home. If it helps them l'm all for it.
Just before my autistic son went to residential school the social services were about to make our house into Fort Knox with digital door locks etc to keep him safe, he was an extreme case, but if he had had to be tagged to keep him safe at night then l would agree.OH or l would try to keep awake at night but it did take it's toll on our health...Dot |
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Posts: 1753 (27/12/2007 14:43:13) |
I am not sure what article/news item you mean, but my grandfather had dementia and was brought home by the police - in his pyjamas once, and just in underpants
the other time. He was a very proud and modest man and would have HATED the indignity dementia brought to him. If a tag that set off an alarm or something
similar had been possible, it would at least have saved him that. It was lucky the policeman that picked him up knew him - my grandad was a Salvation Army
officer and the policeman was also a Salvationist. Had he not been known, I don't know how his identity would have been discovered, as he no recollection
of his name or address.
Sometimes these things are necessary for both carers and patient alike and could save a lot of unhappiness and distress on both sides. If I've got it wrong as i don't know the item to which you're message alludes, I'm sorry Helen. I only know I wish there had been some way of saving my grandad (and also my father) from the problems that came with them wandering off. Hugs Janet |
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Posts: 6071 (27/12/2007 14:44:56) |
I know how you all feel and we have been on the recieving end for 3 1/2 years looking after MIL but I think this could be open to abuse. I don't want the
state to take over everything
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Posts: 2943 (27/12/2007 14:47:52) |
i think it would be ok, because as someone said if someone went off ,where would you start looking, they would be found quicker if they had a tag on and less
chance they would be knocked down by a car or fall down where they wouldnt be found, (my mil has dementia)
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Posts: 1296 (27/12/2007 14:49:27) |
Havnt seen the article either, not really sure about it. I used to work in a home for those with dementia and they were always wondering off. Sometimes there
were found in the garden but numerous times we hadto contact the police to help find them. Think it needs serious thinking about first
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inkyfingers |
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Posts: 828 (27/12/2007 15:06:04) |
Not that long ago, a poor old man was killed on a main dual carriageway near us. He was hit by at least 3 cars and all those traumatized drivers!
Even more tragically a girl my daughter knew was killed as she drove to her first job after leaving school. She was hit head on by a woman with dementia who had slipped from her carers, taken the car and was driving at 70 the wrong way on that same dual carriagway. If I get dementia I want to be tagged rather than kill a young girl. I would rather be tied to a bed, Alison |
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Posts: 1871 (27/12/2007 15:12:08) |
I recently saw an appeal on TV for an elderly man who had disappeared, not sure if he had dementia though, but if he had maybe it could have saved him.
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Posts: 6071 (27/12/2007 15:13:37) |
OK Maybe I am wrong.
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Posts: 254 (27/12/2007 17:00:14) |
before my mum went into a secure unit nursing home, she was picked up by the police several times at 2 in the morning with hundreds of pounds in her
bag....luckily she also had her name in her bag, so they were able to bring her home....I don't particularly like the idea of tagging but if it is for
their own safety perhaps it is a good idea.
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Sassie |
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Posts: 8668 (27/12/2007 17:56:42) |
I have mixed veiws on tagging. Having specialised in dementia care and having had to liase with the police, coastguards and Mountain Rescue teams there are
distinct advantages to it. Yet I know patients for whom this would have been totally inappropriate. If a client has tendencies to wander then this is an option
worth really serious consideration. Each time a patient goes missing in a rural area it is a very costly crisis as it often necessitates a helicopter search,
lifeboats launched and Moor Rescue teams called out, and sadly more often then not the patient is found dead.
There are going to have to be very strict and clear guidelines laid down so that it is a much more clear cut decision |
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Posts: 4432 (27/12/2007 18:18:24) |
I must say I am all for it, for the safety of the patient and the security it brings to their families.
The gentleman who lives next door to us has dementia he is in his 80's. His greatest and probably only pleasure in life now is walking. He walks miles and miles he can cover numerous miles and often goes across the fields, he goes out in all weathers and at all times during the day. He was always getting lost his poor wife around the same age was always calling the police because he was missing. One day last winter he went out at 9am in the morning he was eventually found at 3am the next morning, they had the police helicopter out (not for the first time I would add) the dogs police on mountain bikes he was no where to be seen we really thought he was a goner that day. He obviously has great stamina as he had nothing to eat and drink in all that time and only had on a thin jacket. You cannot keep him locked in it would not be fair, and his wife cannot walk with him all the time. Last summer the family and the police got a tracking device for him, it isd slipped in his jacket pockets. If he is gone longer than 1 hour his wife can call the police they switch on some equipment and can pinpoint where he is. He still gets brought home by various farmers and people in our village from time to time who spot him, and at least his poor wife has some peace of mind now. So yes I am fully in favour of tagging or anything else that helps keep track of these poor souls but still leaves them free to walk or wander. At the end of the day it is down to their families. |
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Posts: 1409 (27/12/2007 18:18:58) |
No, you are not wrong - you have your own opinion. I knew a lady who was almost run over by a tractor because she had wandered off and fallen asleep on the
grass verge then toppled into the field. My friend's dad also used to wander about in the night and had to be brought home by the police several times. I
suppose it would all depend on the level of the patients dementia and the circumstances in which they lived.
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Posts: 4096 (27/12/2007 18:24:02) |
I can see the pros and cons and think it may be suitable for some people.
I cannot understand why they don't tag prisoners at open prisons where they keep absconding from! Jan x |
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Posts: 4263 (27/12/2007 18:33:56) |
I'm not too sure either . . . . . . . .
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Posts: 732 (27/12/2007 18:54:45) |
I think if I was unfortunate enough to get dementia, I would want to be tagged. The thought that I might be wandering around, dressed in goodness knows what,
probably being laughed at by passers by, or worse, and then having the indignity of some-one having to be called out to find me, really distresses me. I am a
very private and quiet person. and I would want as much as possible done to help me. It has to be thought about carefully, but I think for the safety of the
person and others it is a good idea.
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Posts: 1783 (27/12/2007 19:29:28) |
All arguments by their nature have two sides with opinions ranging from both extremes and is part of the positive of this country that we are still able to
debate such issues in public.
That said I can see both sides here and understand everyones opinion for freedom of the individual but I do feel that this actually gives some people their fredom back by allowing them to go outside and walk and giving them the protection they need to do so. I know that it would make my mind easier if it was my Mum. Several times during her recent stay in hospital she was brought back to the ward in a confused state, because she was wearing pyjamas and a name tag they knew where she belonged - there is no such protection outside the hospital though. Mum is actually agoraphobic so normally doesn't go out alone but is likely to get confused with her early dementia. The longer she can be independant the better for her. Marion W |
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Fido |
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Posts: 3656 (27/12/2007 19:48:26) |
No Helen You are not wrong.. you just have your own opinion.. We all do... I am basically a proud and private person.. and the thought that others had seen me
wandering the streets in my undies would make me want to end such a thing.. but I believe some sufferers are quite lucid , so each case would have to be taken
independently...
A lot of thinking will have to be done on this subject I think.. hugs Ida x |
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