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Recioy		#21	[-]
Posts: 2966 (04/07/2008 00:44:09) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I agree with you Caroline. Men have been carrying knives since the beginning of time, but they used them for what they were meant to use them for, not for killing or maiming with. I also think that discipline has gone out of the window in schools etc. Teachers are now afraid of the children because they have no power over them, and by that I don't mean they should beat them with a stick or a belt - but a rap round the knuckles has never done anyone any harm. But let's not forget that it is not just children or youngsters that need to be taught not to be violent, grown ups are just as bad and they are the ones which should be setting an example. Adele x
Beas Nanny		#22	[-]
Posts: 6322 (04/07/2008 00:47:06) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Yes I had the same Lavvy - well I was a girl guide - and don't tell anybody I have a sewing kit in my handbag with scissors and a needle! At one time you wouldn't have given it a second thought as you knew you were only going to use penknife for purpose it was intended, though I never came across any horses that need stones removed from their shoes! and how many scouts used to have a knife in their sock as part of their uniform. Mags
Lavender		#23	[-]
Posts: 10355 (04/07/2008 00:47:35) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	You know Adele, it occurs to me that it's almost like society is devolving, back to the violent primate programming deep within us... Lavender XX
TRISHM71		#24	[-]
Posts: 2967 (04/07/2008 00:53:41) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Mags, I still have my old guide belt with the clips on either side. Attached to one of these clips is my guide whistle and the other my guide knife with one sharp blade and one marlin (don't know if that is the correct spelling) spike. It never entered my head that I could hurt someone with it Trish x
Recioy		#25	[-]
Posts: 2966 (04/07/2008 00:54:23) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	You can't even say booo to anyone nowadays for fear that you might get punched, sad isn't it? I do agree with Carol though, and I was discussing this with my son today, all the social clubs etc. have disappeared and youngsters have no where to go anymore - on the other hand you can be the best parent in the world and still have a bad apple which you can't control, but there is no help for this sort of parent either, I do think that children have been given too many powers and they think they can do what they like. As far as I am concerned a smack did not do me any harm and I learned from it. I always told my boys that if they broke the law I would be the first to call the police and they knew I would. Adele x
Beas Nanny		#26	[-]
Posts: 6322 (04/07/2008 00:55:39) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	My kids think I am mad when I tell them I grew up with the cane on the table at mealtimes. At school the ultimate was a visit to the head for the cane. lesser punishments were having your mouth washed out with carbolic soap and our teacher at junior school used to give what he called "Winter Warmers". You had to hold you hand out straight and it got slapped back and forth a couple of times in front of the class - the humiliation was enough to stop most of the boys getting into trouble - although there was always one that seemed to be perpetually in trouble. Later on at secondary school - we had teachers that would throw chalk at you if you weren't paying attention and even the blackboard rubber! Gosh what child abuse that would be now! I sometimes wonder if perhaps bringing back the cane in school for really bad stuff would deter kids - all they get now is suspended! - hey yeh - no school - what an incentive! right better climb the wooden hill - OH has just woken up and moaned at me! Mags
Glitzzy		#27	[-]
Posts: 548 (04/07/2008 02:05:20) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Where do you start,this is close to my heart,because a young man,same age as my grandson Rory, almost 18yrs,was walking home from school,when he was attacked and knifed,the poor young man died. I was so sad this happened in a town not 8miles from me,and where my daughter and son in law have lived for almost 20yrs,bringing up their two sons.I don't know what can be done,but we need something to happen now before it gets worse,mind think that has already happened!! Even our town has changed,people afraid to go at night etc so sad,These idiots can't even stand up one to one,oh no they need a gang for backing and to feel brave,I do blame parents a bit,because I have seen very young children out and about late at night,where are their parents!! I am not perfect,but I did know where my kids where,when they would be home,who they were with. As for the police,well I don't know about them either,we have called them and reported things,do they come out NO, even if they did,the yobs would hear the car and be away like a shot. I do agree they should be walking the beat in two's along with a police dog,at least they might get to hear and find out more doing that.Sorry for going on,I get so angry when I hear someone else has been attacked etc Love Maureen x
Mac		#28	[-]
Posts: 1988 (04/07/2008 03:04:08) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I fear any progress is likely to be achieved only very slowly as I believe the problems are due to very deep seated social problems - the breakdown of the family, political correctness, too much power given to children, so that they have taken over the streets and adults have become afraid of the children. It would seem that there are a significant number of adults who seem to have no idea about how to parent and the children turn to gangs to receive the love and guidance that is missing in their lives. Teachers and other authority figures have been placed in positions where they are blamed for the state of these kids. They are expected to deal with issues that should be dealt with at home by parents, but on the other hand they have had all their power taken away. I believe a complete change is needed where each adult is held accountable for their behaviour and where parents are held accountable for the behaviour of their under-age children. Why are we so unable, as a society, to state what is unacceptable behaviour and to stop it and if necessary punish it. By being reluctant to state clearly what will not be tolerated and how it will be punished - and carry it through - all decent people are being punished by having to tolerate the behaviour of thugs who care nothing for others. As well as being strict about unacceptable behaviour we also need to invest in giving these kids activities to keep them occupied and to educate them. Perhaps, we might also become more truthful with these children. There has been a policy of telling children lies because competition is seen as unhealthy. Thus, schools don't criticise. As a result many kids are not told that they are failing and need to work harder and receive more help. We fail to give them realistic feedback. The reality is that you cannot duck out of school, life and education and then be surprised that you can't be an airline pilot. Neither can all kids grow up to be top models, pop singers and celebrities. It is not a right. Reality dictates that most decent people have to work hard doing jobs they would prefer not to do to put food on the table and maintain self- respect. I am so angry about the whole situation I could rant and rave enough for a 500 page book!!!!! Lynn
The scrimper		#29	[-]
Posts: 2872 (04/07/2008 07:54:43) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Bring back the birch! Public Birching applied to suit the crime. That would put a stop to them.
anne cornwall		#30	[-]
Posts: 182 (04/07/2008 08:06:33) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	this is a very intresting debate im sure that some of these kids that are involved in knife crime are some part of initiation into gangs.The problem is that some parents know about their children and fail to report them.I to think that conscription should be brought in i know what you are saying about the army should not have to put up with these yobs and i do agree with that maybe a bootcamp is the answer.I work in a school and if you saw half the goings on you realy would not believe it.Discipline has to start at home and at school but there are to many do gooders in society.Half the time the police know who these kids are but their hands are tied.What i find more worrying is that these are the next generation heaven help us.Will get of my soap box now lol anne
EuniceM		#31	[-]
Posts: 4461 (04/07/2008 08:08:15) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I don't know the answer but I do know that lots of the problems start in the home at a young age. No discipline, no respect given expensive toys, gadgets & videos etc to keep them busy and out of the parents way. Youngsters allowed out till all hours and frightened of the police or any authority you must be joking. There are no deterents nowadays so perhaps a public flogging or two may deter a few.
joanna sheen		#32	[-]
Posts: 15611 (04/07/2008 08:22:17) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	maybe we could publicly flog the parents that just aren't spending enough time with their sons/children and so the children are getting out of hand as there isn;t enough family happiness to keep them wanting to respect the world .. right am going to shut up now -
Summer Jasmin		#33	[-]
Posts: 1033 (04/07/2008 08:44:48) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I'm with you on that one Joanna. Definitely a need for more parental control.
EuniceM		#34	[-]
Posts: 4461 (04/07/2008 08:49:59) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Yep good idea flog the parents as well.
Tina		#35	[-]
Posts: 29931 (04/07/2008 09:43:32) Administrator Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	It is very true, having seen what some parents are like, i am not surprised at how some of these young offenders turn out. A for instance (and this was some years back) Chris was riding his bike and was rammed by some little oik who bent his wheel and went off laughing .. it was done deliberately. I knew where they lived so went round to speak to the parents. his dad called him to come there and asked him if he had done that and the child (probably about told him to F off. He just shrugged and said what can you do? well its attitudes like that causing these young terrors to grow up into delinquents. A firm hand (and I don't mean a beating) taking away privileges etc. could mean that they grow up very differently.
pennyday		#36	[-]
Posts: 42 (04/07/2008 10:07:56) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I think its this nonsense of not smacking that causes a lot of the problems, sitting kids on a naughty step pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee. A smack when needed across the back of the legs or bottom never did me any harm, and I certainly learned very quickly the meaning of the word no, and respect for my elders. I live in a small village and I cannot believe the language that some of the toddlers, yes I said toddlers are using these days. They are certainly not suitable to put on here, and I would most certainly have had my mouth washed out with my toothbrush and soap. I do also agree that compulsory national service would do the young of today a lot of good. It would teach them the old fashioned values that seam to have been forgotton these days.
Matilda		#37	[-]
Posts: 679 (04/07/2008 10:19:25) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Joanna for Home Secretary!!!! I think you have to start with the parents. If they stopped their children hanging round town centres, bus stations etc. and knew where they were it would help. But unfortunately a lot of the parents round here as just as bad. I live near the supermakrket where that poor man with MS was killed a couple of weeks ago. You can't even go to the shops without putting yourself in danger. As a child I was never smacked, but I knew where the boundries were. Sue
craftycol		#38	[-]
Posts: 733 (04/07/2008 10:22:10) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I agree with all that has been said on here, there is definitely a parenting problem. I also think that television and videos have a large part to play. There is so much violence and swearing, and young chilren allowed to watch what is clearly inapropriate viewing, that they are bound to copy. After all, manufacturers have been advertising on tv for years, if there is no influence, then they wouldn't waste money, would they. Mary Whitehouse was right.....we have the society we have bred. A deterioration in decent prgrammes, and rubbish videos hired by just about any-one, and watched by young children, whose parents don't care, going out on the streets copying this rubbish. There appears to be no manners or respect for people or property. If any law abiding citizen should dare to approach any of these yobs seen damaging property, then we all know what happens to them. Gone are the days when you could march them off to their parents to be dealt with. They would just laugh at you, and I don't just mean the children. I think the best deterrent is shame. It is no use fining these people or giving them asbos, that just makes them feel even more important. What they need is to be laughed at and riduculed, prefferably while sitting in the stocks, they would soon change their minds about misbehaving then. Especially if it was all us oldies who were doing the jibing, boy, would I enjoy that!!. I am over 60 and I brough my children up fairly strictly, and they knew how to behave and had decent manners (still have) My son said recently that I still have "the look" When he was young and he did anything I might disaprove of, he would get one of my "looks," which usually worked, and apparantly still does!! lol Coralie
craftymims		#39	[-]
Posts: 1783 (04/07/2008 10:32:57) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	Never smacked mine but they certainly know the difference between right from wrong. Always worked on the principle that it's better to start off heavy and gradually slacken off. My kids aren't angels but they have grown up into loving caring people who work hard for there living. I'm no angel myself but would agree that it all starts with good parenting and being a good role model. Unfortunately nowadays children are bombarded with role models on TV and in the press, at school and in other places who are less than savoury. Drug addicts, drunkards and those that don't respect others are all in the news. Parents just have to equip their children with the wherewithall to make responsible choices for themselves and allow them to respect authority and when they disagree with things then to take resposible steps to change things for the better. I think that the majority of children fall into this category but the media aren't interested in anything other than sensationalism. Yesterday following the horrible murder of the 2 French students, in the course of 5 minutes there were 7 occassions when the terrible ordeal they went through was explained in Graphic detail. Necessary? I understood what had happened the 1st time and was suitably shocked and disgusted. Hugs Marion W Last Edited By: craftymims 04/07/2008 10:35:10. Edited 1 times.
Matilda		#40	[-]
Posts: 679 (04/07/2008 10:38:44) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts Report Post	I recently shouted at a young boy of about nine who was spitting on the window of a local restaurant and told him he should ask the owner for a cloth to wipe it off. Then I was told by a woman in a bus queue I should mind my own business as I had no right to shout at someone else`s child. Well someone should !

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