thanks Tina, I did start before, but gave up as I didn't really understand what I was doing, still don't really, but have a friend who helps me once a month. not enough really as I had an offer on ancestry to join for £20 for 4 months, so I have to get what I can from it now as I wont be able to afford the full price of it after the 4 months. I started with my dad, we are welsh and I was a morgan, my dads dad was called Morgan Morgan, can you imagine how many morgan morgans there are in Wales? so I gave up, and am now doing my mums side, she was a Miles, I have got to her parents, and their parents so far, but have come to a full stop now, so have to wait for my friend next week. In theory I suppose I should be looking for my G Gparents births , but having problems, Eileen my friend will come and sort it for me, she has been doing hers for years, she makes it look so easy, my trouble is I want results NOW and that doesn't happen. must have more patience. xx