lots of people do that Alice, I keep discounting the same ones over and over and by PM too. Never mind, it's kind of people to try and help. I have most of the shrubs that have been mentioned, my garden is choc a block even though it looks a right mess at the moment, especially as I have 2 fence panels blown down in the wind. Have always been a very keen gardener, it's just my memory keeps letting me down now whjen it comes to names. I just know what this shrub ISN'T!! smiley: laugh